| Listed in: | 3D Studio MAX |
| Date: | 2000-05-06 |
| Author: | ali |
| 12:43 | Antimorph: | you'll see a gap, we need to figure out how to align the wall and fllor so that this dissapears |
| 12:43 | scloink: | hmmm |
| 12:44 | scloink: | odd |
| 12:44 | scloink: | problems |
| 12:44 | scloink: | hang on |
| 12:44 | Antimorph: | I don't know how to fix that yet |
| 12:44 | Antimorph: | what sort of problems |
| 12:44 | scloink: | aha |
| 12:45 | scloink: | I have the middle button working |
| 12:45 | Antimorph: | the rotate? |
| 12:45 | scloink: | yes |
| 12:45 | Antimorph: | Wooohoo |
| 12:45 | triple6s: | problems his brain cut off supply to his hands |
| 12:45 | scloink: | it seems I messed up the pivot point somehow |
| 12:45 | scloink: | and it was rotating |
| 12:45 | Antimorph: | s'ok |
| 12:45 | scloink: | but on a large scale |
| 12:46 | Antimorph: | hmm, ok go to hierachy |
| 12:46 | scloink: | ok to the back building |
| 12:46 | Antimorph: | select affect pivot only |
| 12:46 | Antimorph: | and center it to the object |
| 12:46 | scloink: | where is that |
| 12:46 | scloink: | it is fine now |
| 12:46 | scloink: | I reloaded |
| 12:46 | scloink: | from your file |
| 12:46 | Antimorph: | Hierarchy is the 4th one left from the hammer |
| 12:46 | Antimorph: | k |
| 12:47 | Antimorph: | OK, go to the back of the rear building into the rear left corner and make a note of the gap |
| 12:47 | Antimorph: | Its not serious, but its a pain |
| 12:47 | Antimorph: | When you've seen it |
| 12:47 | Antimorph: | go to modifiers, edit mesh, sub-object polygon |
| 12:48 | Antimorph: | press F2 |
| 12:49 | Antimorph: | press f4 |
| 12:49 | scloink: | hang on |
| 12:49 | Antimorph: | now select all the polygons that make the floor in the left building |
| 12:49 | scloink: | is it between the back wall |
| 12:49 | Antimorph: | ok |
| 12:49 | scloink: | and the floor |
| 12:49 | Antimorph: | yeah |
| 12:49 | Antimorph: | on the left corner especially |
| 12:50 | Antimorph: | you could lose a cigerette down it |
| 12:51 | Antimorph: | I probably moved some of the polygons on the floor slightly to generate that gap |
| 12:51 | Antimorph: | if so its relatively easy to fix |
| 12:51 | scloink: | ok I need to select all polys that make up the left building floor |
| 12:51 | Antimorph: | you can move polygons accidently if your not careful when your selecting them |
| 12:52 | Antimorph: | yeah, but press |
| 12:52 | Antimorph: | F2 and F4 first |
| 12:52 | scloink: | I did |
| 12:52 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 12:52 | scloink: | what does that do |
| 12:52 | Antimorph: | do you see all the edges now |
| 12:52 | scloink: | no |
| 12:52 | Antimorph: | I may have to send you my user interface |
| 12:52 | Antimorph: | just a sec |
| 12:52 | scloink: | they were there before |
| 12:53 | Antimorph: | ok |
| 12:53 | Antimorph: | select a face, does it turn red? |
| 12:53 | Antimorph: | solid red |
| 12:53 | scloink: | yes I hit F2 and F4 again |
| 12:53 | scloink: | brought up the edges |
| 12:53 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 12:54 | Antimorph: | and does it show red when you select a polygon |
| 12:54 | scloink: | yes |
| 12:54 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 12:54 | Antimorph: | now go to modifiers, uvw *unwrap* |
| 12:54 | Antimorph: | and then edit |
| 12:54 | triple6s: | bbialb |
| 12:54 | scloink: | ok |
| 12:54 | SuperTard: | anyone know a good message board script for a web site, or.. |
| 12:55 | Antimorph: | click on the options icon to the left of "Map #1" |
| 12:55 | SuperTard: | know if you'll get in trouble for using a hacked UBB |
| 12:55 | SuperTard: | the one that RP uses |
| 12:55 | SuperTard: | for a non-revolt related site for a freind of mine.. they need a good message board script |
| 12:56 | scloink: | I have no idea ST |
| 12:56 | SuperTard shuts up | |
| 12:56 | SuperTard: | ok |
| 12:56 | Antimorph: | me neither |
| 12:56 | scloink: | hehe |
| 12:56 | SuperTard: | as you were soldiers |
| 12:56 | Antimorph: | sorry ST |
| 12:56 | scloink: | thank you sir |
| 12:56 | Antimorph: | heh |
| 12:56 | Antimorph: | ok did you open up the options dialog scloink? |
| 12:56 | scloink: | yes |
| 12:56 | Antimorph: | Tell me what it says in weld threshold |
| 12:57 | scloink: | 3.01 |
| 12:57 | Antimorph: | kewl, that means that value exports with .max |
| 12:57 | SuperTard: | ill have the sdk for 3dsmax later today |
| 12:57 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 12:57 | Antimorph: | click cancel |
| 12:57 | scloink: | ok |
| 12:57 | SuperTard: | problems gettting on the guys site, think he fell asleep without turning it on :( |
| 12:57 | Antimorph: | ok you see the square over the wooden tile |
| 12:57 | SuperTard: | damn drunken swedes |
| 12:57 | scloink: | yes |
| 12:58 | SuperTard shuts up again | |
| 12:58 | SuperTard: | bbl |
| 12:58 | scloink: | looks like several |
| 12:58 | scloink: | hehe |
| 12:58 | scloink: | ok |
| 12:58 | Antimorph: | Thats actually every virtually polygon on top of each other |
| 12:58 | scloink: | ok |
| 12:58 | Antimorph: | they are not perfectly aligned with each other |
| 12:58 | Antimorph: | thats what we're gonna fix |
| 12:58 | scloink: | I see |
| 12:58 | scloink: | ok |
| 12:58 | Antimorph: | draw a selection box around the UV vertices on one corner of the box |
| 12:59 | scloink: | ok |
| 12:59 | Antimorph: | they'll turn red, now click on "Weld Selected" which is to the left of "Update Map" |
| 12:59 | scloink: | cool |
| 12:59 | Antimorph: | do that for each corner |
| 12:59 | scloink: | easy enough |
| 12:59 | scloink: | ok |
| 12:59 | scloink: | ok done |
| 12:59 | Antimorph: | now use the magnifying glass to zoom in |
| 13:00 | scloink: | to which area |
| 13:00 | Antimorph: | and make sure that each corner vertex is at the corner of the bmp |
| 13:00 | scloink: | ok hang on |
| 13:00 | Antimorph: | we want to reduce tiling artifacts |
| 13:00 | Antimorph: | by making this accurate |
| 13:01 | Antimorph: | draw boxes to select the corner vertices and move them to the extremes of the floor texture |
| 13:01 | scloink: | ok well it needs a little adjusting |
| 13:01 | Antimorph: | yeah. but that will pay off |
| 13:01 | scloink: | ok give me a min |
| 13:01 | Antimorph: | you can pan the bmp with the middle mouse button |
| 13:03 | Antimorph: | hmm |
| 13:03 | Antimorph: | I'm still seeing tile seems |
| 13:03 | scloink: | ok done |
| 13:03 | scloink: | me too |
| 13:03 | Antimorph: | Try this, |
| 13:04 | Antimorph: | go to the options dialog and turn on "mid pixel snap" |
| 13:04 | Antimorph: | then change the vertices so they lie halfway on the outer pixel of the bmp area |
| 13:05 | Antimorph: | you'll need to soom in quite far |
| 13:05 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:05 | Antimorph: | actually |
| 13:05 | Antimorph: | although its better than it was |
| 13:05 | Antimorph: | its still not perfect |
| 13:05 | Antimorph: | try goin a full pixel in |
| 13:08 | Antimorph: | I won't pretend to understand |
| 13:08 | Antimorph: | but you see what I was trying to do |
| 13:08 | Antimorph: | and it will be better than before at leasst |
| 13:08 | scloink: | yea I see |
| 13:08 | scloink: | looks good though |
| 13:09 | Antimorph: | ok, the same needs doing on the rest of the floors |
| 13:09 | Antimorph: | but I'll let you do that at your pleasure |
| 13:09 | SuperTard: | back |
| 13:10 | SuperTard: | gonna go test some stuff |
| 13:10 | Antimorph: | close the edit window, we're gonna try and map a wall |
| 13:10 | Antimorph: | which wall you wanna do |
| 13:11 | scloink: | hang on |
| 13:11 | Antimorph: | if you turn of mid pixel snap |
| 13:11 | Antimorph: | off even |
| 13:11 | Antimorph: | and click on the pixel snap icon on the right bottom of the edit window |
| 13:11 | scloink: | I didn't |
| 13:11 | Antimorph: | you may find that better |
| 13:11 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:11 | scloink: | I will play with it |
| 13:12 | Antimorph: | mid goes to the middle of the pixel, I think the tiling looks cool with one pixle remaining outside though |
| 13:12 | Antimorph: | I think there is something at work here, antialiasing or something |
| 13:12 | scloink: | is the back room finished |
| 13:12 | Antimorph: | no, |
| 13:12 | Antimorph: | nothing is finished. hehe |
| 13:13 | Antimorph: | ok, are you ready to move on |
| 13:13 | scloink: | because if it is |
| 13:13 | scloink: | I wann do that wall |
| 13:13 | scloink: | ok?? |
| 13:13 | scloink: | hello |
| 13:14 | Antimorph: | which wall |
| 13:14 | Antimorph: | got a bit lagged then |
| 13:14 | Antimorph: | The walls will be tricky |
| 13:14 | Antimorph: | cos we need to detach them |
| 13:15 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:15 | Antimorph: | but I wanna show you something on the floor |
| 13:15 | Antimorph: | of the rear room |
| 13:15 | scloink: | can we do a wall in the rear room |
| 13:15 | Antimorph: | go to a position where you can see the floor of the rear room |
| 13:15 | scloink: | because that is the one that needs to be tiled |
| 13:16 | scloink: | ok there |
| 13:16 | Antimorph: | you see how the concrete forms circles |
| 13:16 | scloink: | yes |
| 13:16 | Antimorph: | ok, we're gonna call that organic mapping |
| 13:16 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:16 | Antimorph: | you cant really see the circles when you're in car |
| 13:16 | scloink: | ok np |
| 13:16 | Antimorph: | and its quicker than inorganic mapping |
| 13:16 | Antimorph: | so use it as you wish |
| 13:17 | scloink: | I see a prob on the right room |
| 13:17 | Antimorph: | ok, look to the rear wall |
| 13:17 | Antimorph: | yeah, thats from modelling the door badly |
| 13:17 | Antimorph: | I assume you talking about the floor tile |
| 13:17 | scloink: | yes |
| 13:17 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:18 | Antimorph: | It doesn't look too bad in car |
| 13:18 | Antimorph: | it will be a pain to fix |
| 13:18 | Antimorph: | we'll deal with that later ok |
| 13:18 | scloink: | o0k |
| 13:18 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:18 | scloink: | brb |
| 13:18 | Antimorph: | The rear wall is currently tiled with wood |
| 13:18 | Antimorph: | k |
| 13:19 | scloink: | ok back |
| 13:19 | scloink: | yes I see that |
| 13:19 | Antimorph: | do you wanna use the white wall texture from the other bmp |
| 13:20 | scloink: | the white brick |
| 13:20 | Antimorph: | k |
| 13:20 | Antimorph: | what we need to do is detach the walls from the floors |
| 13:20 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:20 | Antimorph: | so that we can work on the walls with the right bmp |
| 13:20 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:20 | Antimorph: | first though, you may wish to fix the gap, I believe I know how |
| 13:20 | scloink: | how do we do that |
| 13:21 | scloink: | ok lets do that |
| 13:21 | Antimorph: | just a sec |
| 13:21 | scloink: | what is your background color set at |
| 13:21 | Antimorph: | black |
| 13:21 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:21 | scloink: | let me change |
| 13:22 | scloink: | how do I change color |
| 13:23 | Antimorph: | customise, preferances, colour |
| 13:23 | Antimorph: | top left drop down, viewport background |
| 13:23 | Antimorph: | change it to black |
| 13:24 | scloink: | cool |
| 13:24 | Antimorph: | ok go to edit mesh when your done |
| 13:24 | scloink: | done |
| 13:24 | Antimorph: | subobject polygon |
| 13:24 | Antimorph: | check the box, ignore backfacing |
| 13:24 | Antimorph: | and select all the polygons on the floor that are next to the rear wall and rear left wall |
| 13:24 | scloink: | I cannot see a gap |
| 13:25 | Antimorph: | go closer |
| 13:25 | scloink: | ahhh |
| 13:25 | scloink: | I see |
| 13:25 | scloink: | :) |
| 13:25 | Antimorph: | actually scrub that |
| 13:25 | Antimorph: | I think we'll weld instead |
| 13:25 | scloink: | could loose a tire there |
| 13:25 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:25 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:25 | Antimorph: | actually you can't.heh |
| 13:26 | Antimorph: | i tried |
| 13:26 | Antimorph: | :) |
| 13:26 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:26 | scloink: | that small |
| 13:26 | Antimorph: | ok make sure ignore backfacing is *not* checked |
| 13:26 | Antimorph: | in the edit mesh modifier go to subobject vertex |
| 13:26 | scloink: | where |
| 13:26 | Antimorph: | where what |
| 13:26 | scloink: | where is ignore backfacing |
| 13:27 | Antimorph: | in the edit mesh modifier heh |
| 13:27 | Antimorph: | you got it? |
| 13:27 | scloink: | yea it is not checked |
| 13:27 | Antimorph: | when you do go to the rear bottom corner of the rear room |
| 13:27 | Antimorph: | and select all the vertices from the wall and the floor that should make that corner |
| 13:28 | Antimorph: | we're gonna weld them together |
| 13:28 | scloink: | bottom corner |
| 13:28 | Antimorph: | far corner, whatever you like, where the gap is |
| 13:28 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:28 | Antimorph: | we'll be repeating this for where the gap is and theres a junction between wall and floor |
| 13:28 | Antimorph: | selected? |
| 13:29 | scloink: | not yet |
| 13:29 | scloink: | I am reading |
| 13:29 | Antimorph: | k |
| 13:30 | scloink: | it is not turning red |
| 13:30 | Antimorph: | you must select |
| 13:31 | Antimorph: | sub-object vertex |
| 13:31 | scloink: | yes |
| 13:31 | scloink: | I have that |
| 13:31 | Antimorph: | ok, collapse the stack |
| 13:31 | Antimorph: | see if we can free up memory |
| 13:32 | scloink: | ok sorry but where is that |
| 13:32 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:32 | Antimorph: | above subobject vertex, just to the right you'll see what looks like a stack of paper |
| 13:33 | Antimorph: | click it and select collapse |
| 13:33 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:33 | scloink: | done |
| 13:33 | SuperTard: | yea me |
| 13:34 | Antimorph: | ok, click on subobject vertex, and try and select some vertices |
| 13:34 | scloink: | ok I have all selected but the corners |
| 13:34 | SuperTard: | 5 new prms for our level scloink |
| 13:34 | scloink: | you want those selected too |
| 13:34 | scloink: | cool ST |
| 13:34 | Antimorph: | no |
| 13:34 | scloink: | I am working on it now |
| 13:34 | Antimorph: | all I want is the corners |
| 13:35 | Antimorph: | we're gonna weld vertices to get rid of the gap |
| 13:35 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:35 | Antimorph: | weld as in, stick together |
| 13:35 | scloink: | I mean the corners in back right and back left |
| 13:35 | Antimorph: | sigh. |
| 13:35 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 13:35 | Antimorph: | hmm no |
| 13:36 | Antimorph: | just do it one bit at a time |
| 13:36 | scloink: | I have the ones selected along the back |
| 13:36 | Antimorph: | Oh god |
| 13:36 | Antimorph: | lol |
| 13:36 | scloink: | that is what I meant |
| 13:36 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:36 | Antimorph: | ok, we can try that |
| 13:37 | scloink: | what are you wanting me to do |
| 13:37 | Antimorph: | go down on the right menu to where you see weld |
| 13:37 | Antimorph: | Ok, I'll restate |
| 13:37 | Antimorph: | Were looking at a gap between the rear wall and the floor in the back room |
| 13:37 | scloink: | yes |
| 13:37 | Antimorph: | can you see the edges for each tile on the wall and floor |
| 13:38 | scloink: | yes |
| 13:38 | Antimorph: | if you can't hit f4 |
| 13:38 | Antimorph: | ok |
| 13:38 | Antimorph: | the tiles on the wall and floor are roughly the same size |
| 13:38 | scloink: | yes |
| 13:38 | Antimorph: | and the reason that theirs a gap is that the vertex that makes the edge on the floor is not connected to the vertex that makes the edge on the wall |
| 13:38 | Antimorph: | if we connect them we can get rid of the gap yes? |
| 13:39 | scloink: | right |
| 13:39 | Antimorph: | ok |
| 13:39 | scloink: | I understand |
| 13:39 | Antimorph: | now we're gonna do this one tile at a time |
| 13:39 | scloink: | oh ok |
| 13:39 | scloink: | one ata a time hehe |
| 13:39 | scloink: | I was doing all |
| 13:39 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:39 | Antimorph: | ok |
| 13:39 | scloink: | sorry |
| 13:39 | Antimorph: | s'ok |
| 13:40 | Antimorph: | when you've got one group selected, change the Weld threshold to something like 200 |
| 13:40 | Antimorph: | and hit the "Selected" button |
| 13:40 | Antimorph: | This would probably work if you selected them all, but I just want to do them one at a time |
| 13:40 | Antimorph: | for practice. eheh |
| 13:41 | Antimorph: | I'm like a piano teacher |
| 13:41 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:41 | Antimorph: | YOU WILL DO YOUR SCALES |
| 13:41 | scloink: | the threshhold is that the target |
| 13:41 | Antimorph: | no, next to selected |
| 13:41 | Antimorph: | you'll see a number |
| 13:41 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:41 | Antimorph: | 0.1 probably |
| 13:41 | Antimorph: | I want you to change it to 200 |
| 13:41 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:42 | Antimorph: | then hit the selected button |
| 13:42 | scloink: | ok done |
| 13:42 | scloink: | yep |
| 13:42 | Antimorph: | you should see the vertices collapse and the gap on that section of the wall dissapear |
| 13:42 | scloink: | yes |
| 13:42 | Antimorph: | repeat this for wherever you find a gap |
| 13:42 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:42 | Antimorph: | select vertices, weld selected |
| 13:42 | Antimorph: | repeat as often as you like |
| 13:43 | Antimorph: | its a basic tool, that can be used in many places |
| 13:43 | Antimorph: | We should Save now |
| 13:43 | Antimorph: | Go to File |
| 13:44 | Antimorph: | Save as, and press the + button |
| 13:44 | Antimorph: | which will increment from shop11 to shop12 |
| 13:44 | Antimorph: | Is the duct walls a floor or a wall? |
| 13:45 | Antimorph: | on the bmps |
| 13:45 | scloink: | wall |
| 13:45 | Antimorph: | k |
| 13:45 | Antimorph: | How are you doin |
| 13:45 | Antimorph: | ? |
| 13:46 | Antimorph: | happy or not? |
| 13:46 | scloink: | ready for more |
| 13:46 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:46 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 13:46 | Antimorph: | use editmesh subobkect polygon and select everything thats a floor |
| 13:46 | Antimorph: | it will be helpful to turn |
| 13:46 | Antimorph: | ignore backfacing *on* |
| 13:46 | scloink: | ok |
| 13:47 | Antimorph: | select one poly at a time if you have to |
| 13:47 | Antimorph: | hold the ctrl key down |
| 13:47 | Antimorph: | and build the floor in red |
| 13:47 | Antimorph: | so its all selected |
| 13:47 | Antimorph: | also |
| 13:48 | Antimorph: | make sure you turn off the move icon |
| 13:48 | Antimorph: | this is how I made the gap in the first place |
| 13:48 | Antimorph: | its often difficult to select faces without pulling them a bit, if you have the move icon on |
| 13:48 | Antimorph: | so turn it off and just have the arrow select icon enabled |
| 13:51 | scloink: | damn |
| 13:51 | Antimorph: | If you make a mistake press undo select |
| 13:51 | scloink: | this taking forever |
| 13:51 | Antimorph: | if you highlight a fact that isn't floor, just select it again |
| 13:52 | ouch: | back |
| 13:52 | scloink: | hello |
| 13:52 | Antimorph: | hi |
| 13:53 | scloink: | man this is taking a while |
| 13:53 | Antimorph: | you can drag a box around |
| 13:53 | scloink: | my machine is moving in slow motion |
| 13:53 | Antimorph: | large areas |
| 13:53 | scloink: | yes |
| 13:53 | Antimorph: | ahh |
| 13:53 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:53 | scloink: | slow machine |
| 13:53 | Antimorph: | what is it? |
| 13:55 | Antimorph: | you can also use the irregular shape select tool |
| 13:55 | Antimorph: | by holding down the square next to the arrow at the top and making it into the jagged line |
| 13:56 | Antimorph: | dont forget the doorway floors |
| 13:56 | scloink: | ok I think I got them all |
| 13:56 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 13:57 | Antimorph: | Alt rotate around the model and check |
| 13:57 | Antimorph: | heeh |
| 13:57 | scloink: | ok got them |
| 13:57 | Antimorph: | when your done click "Detach" which is in the editmesh menu on the right |
| 13:57 | scloink: | slow |
| 13:57 | scloink: | motion |
| 13:58 | scloink: | hehe |
| 13:58 | Antimorph: | next to attach and under delete |
| 13:58 | Antimorph: | A box will spring up, write floor in the box and click ok |
| 13:58 | scloink: | ok I named it Floors |
| 13:58 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 13:58 | Antimorph: | resave |
| 13:58 | Antimorph: | and then delete the floor |
| 13:58 | Antimorph: | be right back |
| 13:59 | Antimorph: | you'll need to click sub-object again to be able to select your two objects |
| 13:59 | Antimorph: | seperately |
| 13:59 | Antimorph: | 1 object is the floor, the other is the walls |
| 14:00 | Antimorph: | So Save as "+" and delete the floor, then open material editor |
| 14:00 | scloink: | huh' |
| 14:00 | scloink: | you kina lost me |
| 14:00 | Antimorph: | hmm, where |
| 14:00 | scloink: | I deleted the floor |
| 14:00 | Antimorph: | ok. did you save first? |
| 14:01 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:01 | scloink: | as Shop13 |
| 14:01 | scloink: | or whatever |
| 14:01 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 14:01 | Antimorph: | so all you have left is the walls |
| 14:01 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:01 | Antimorph: | ok, open up the material editor which is four coloured spots next to the teapots at the top |
| 14:02 | Antimorph: | you'll see the floors texture in the top left slot |
| 14:03 | scloink: | I see no teapot |
| 14:03 | scloink: | or spots |
| 14:03 | Antimorph: | highlight it and click the X on the row of icons beneath the slot window |
| 14:03 | scloink: | I know whereit is in 2.5 |
| 14:03 | Antimorph: | hmm, probably a resolution thing |
| 14:03 | Antimorph: | you see the rendering tab at the top |
| 14:03 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:03 | Antimorph: | try it in there |
| 14:04 | Antimorph: | found it? |
| 14:04 | scloink: | yea |
| 14:04 | scloink: | clicked the x |
| 14:04 | scloink: | now what |
| 14:04 | Antimorph: | ok, delete the floors texture |
| 14:04 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:04 | Antimorph: | by highlighting its slot and hitting the X, then load in the walls texture |
| 14:05 | Antimorph: | Affect in scence and editor |
| 14:05 | Antimorph: | if it prompts you |
| 14:05 | Antimorph: | So you know how to load a bitmap? |
| 14:05 | Antimorph: | So = Do |
| 14:06 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:06 | scloink: | done |
| 14:06 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 14:06 | scloink: | ready for next |
| 14:06 | Antimorph: | ok, apply that texture to the walls object |
| 14:07 | Antimorph: | and click the show in viewport box |
| 14:07 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:07 | Antimorph: | you may have to select the walls first |
| 14:07 | Antimorph: | k |
| 14:07 | Antimorph: | close the material editor |
| 14:07 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:07 | Antimorph: | if you go to the back wall |
| 14:07 | Antimorph: | you'll see that I mapped it already |
| 14:08 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:08 | scloink: | you da man |
| 14:08 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:08 | Antimorph: | again, you'll need to clean the alignment up, shall we map another wall |
| 14:08 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:08 | Antimorph: | using the inorganing method |
| 14:08 | Antimorph: | ok |
| 14:08 | Antimorph: | which wall shall we do |
| 14:09 | Antimorph: | one of the ones in the courtyard? |
| 14:09 | scloink: | one we have to tile |
| 14:09 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:09 | Antimorph: | you can tile any and/or all of the |
| 14:09 | Antimorph: | them |
| 14:09 | scloink: | well I mean one we have to tile |
| 14:09 | Antimorph: | ok the courtyard it is |
| 14:09 | Antimorph: | lets do one with a door |
| 14:09 | Antimorph is scared | |
| 14:09 | scloink: | the big one against the back |
| 14:09 | scloink: | oh ok |
| 14:09 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:09 | Antimorph: | no, the doors are harder |
| 14:09 | scloink: | a door |
| 14:09 | Antimorph: | :) |
| 14:09 | Antimorph: | be right back, need fags |
| 14:10 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:10 | Antimorph: | Its rather an unfortunate name for cigerettes |
| 14:10 | scloink: | brb |
| 14:10 | Antimorph: | I'm just gonna suck on a fag for a bit |
| 14:10 | scloink: | need to strangle dog |
| 14:10 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:10 | Antimorph: | k, np |
| 14:12 | Antimorph: | Its at this point we find that morph isn't as good a modellor as he'd like everyone to think |
| 14:13 | Antimorph: | because some of the doors will map well, others not so well |
| 14:13 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:13 | scloink: | back |
| 14:13 | scloink: | they are aweful short eh |
| 14:14 | scloink: | for the shorter europeans |
| 14:14 | Antimorph: | what are? |
| 14:14 | scloink: | the doors |
| 14:14 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 14:14 | scloink: | are they the same as what I did |
| 14:14 | Antimorph: | doubt it |
| 14:14 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:14 | Antimorph: | but they drive ok |
| 14:14 | Antimorph: | they aren't too short |
| 14:15 | scloink: | why didn't you take it up to the next line |
| 14:15 | Antimorph: | however |
| 14:15 | scloink: | yes however |
| 14:15 | Antimorph: | eh? |
| 14:15 | scloink: | NM |
| 14:15 | scloink: | lets go |
| 14:15 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:15 | scloink: | I am looking at the exterior wall |
| 14:15 | Antimorph: | do you wanna bad door, or a good door |
| 14:15 | scloink: | of the left building |
| 14:16 | Antimorph: | whats your point? |
| 14:16 | scloink: | what point |
| 14:16 | scloink: | ?? |
| 14:16 | Antimorph: | about the exterior wall |
| 14:16 | scloink is confused | |
| 14:16 | Antimorph: | on the left building |
| 14:16 | scloink: | oh |
| 14:17 | scloink: | I was waiting to texture |
| 14:17 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:17 | scloink: | was telling you where I was |
| 14:17 | Antimorph: | k |
| 14:17 | Antimorph: | what texture are we using? |
| 14:17 | scloink: | oops |
| 14:18 | scloink: | I see a floor poly I missed |
| 14:18 | scloink: | damn |
| 14:18 | Antimorph: | s'ok i'll send you mine |
| 14:18 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:18 | scloink: | the stucco texture |
| 14:18 | scloink: | is for the exterior |
| 14:18 | Antimorph: | stucco? |
| 14:18 | scloink: | the pinkish orange one |
| 14:19 | Antimorph: | top left? |
| 14:19 | Antimorph: | on the bmp |
| 14:19 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:19 | Antimorph: | k |
| 14:19 | scloink: | did I make you mad |
| 14:19 | scloink: | or something |
| 14:19 | Antimorph: | no |
| 14:19 | Antimorph: | don't be daft |
| 14:19 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:19 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:20 | Antimorph: | :) |
| 14:20 | Antimorph: | I'm just thinking things through |
| 14:20 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:20 | Antimorph: | this door is gonna be a problem but hey ho |
| 14:20 | Antimorph: | we'll work round it |
| 14:20 | Antimorph: | ok, use edit-mesh polygon and select |
| 14:20 | Antimorph: | polygons on that wall that don't touch each other |
| 14:21 | Antimorph: | so like, from left to right, where the top left polygon is 1, and the one to the left of it is 2 |
| 14:21 | Antimorph: | oos, to the right of it |
| 14:21 | Antimorph: | your looking to select, 1,3,5,7,9, etc |
| 14:21 | scloink: | like a checker board |
| 14:22 | Antimorph: | nearly |
| 14:22 | Antimorph: | but miss out a row |
| 14:22 | scloink: | but no diagonal tiles |
| 14:22 | Antimorph: | now vertex must be shared between two polygons |
| 14:22 | Antimorph: | yep |
| 14:22 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:22 | Antimorph: | skip the door for the moment |
| 14:22 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:22 | scloink: | was about to ask that |
| 14:22 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:23 | Antimorph: | :) |
| 14:23 | Antimorph: | when thats done hit UVW map |
| 14:23 | scloink: | what about the triangle by the arch |
| 14:23 | Antimorph: | select it |
| 14:23 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:23 | Antimorph: | it don't matter if the tile is slightly deformed |
| 14:23 | Antimorph: | in UVW map, your aligment is Why |
| 14:24 | Antimorph: | "YY" |
| 14:24 | Antimorph: | not Z |
| 14:24 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:24 | scloink: | now what |
| 14:24 | Antimorph: | now go to uvw unwrap |
| 14:24 | Antimorph: | edit and you'll see lots of nice little polys |
| 14:24 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:24 | scloink: | on the left |
| 14:24 | Antimorph: | which we're gonna move on top of each other |
| 14:24 | Antimorph: | the ones on the right are off the screen |
| 14:24 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:25 | Antimorph: | hit the zoom extents button |
| 14:25 | Antimorph: | which is bottom right, next to the magnet |
| 14:25 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:25 | scloink: | done |
| 14:25 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 14:25 | Antimorph: | ok, now select the boxes in a row of boxes |
| 14:25 | Antimorph: | and move them onto the row beneath |
| 14:26 | scloink: | I don't see any boxes |
| 14:26 | Antimorph: | what do you see? |
| 14:26 | scloink: | very small boxes |
| 14:26 | scloink: | like vertexes |
| 14:26 | Antimorph: | ok, close the window |
| 14:27 | Antimorph: | and remove the unwrap modifier using the dustbin next to |
| 14:27 | Antimorph: | edit stack |
| 14:27 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:27 | scloink: | done |
| 14:27 | Antimorph: | your back at UVW mapping |
| 14:27 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:27 | Antimorph: | Whats it say for alignment |
| 14:27 | Antimorph: | on the right above fit |
| 14:27 | scloink: | Y |
| 14:27 | Antimorph: | which wall are you working on? |
| 14:28 | SuperTard: | hey |
| 14:28 | scloink: | the one on the left building |
| 14:28 | Antimorph: | left building courtyard exterior |
| 14:28 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:28 | Antimorph: | hmm |
| 14:28 | scloink: | yes ST |
| 14:28 | SuperTard: | i have a different more detailed playset2.prm |
| 14:28 | Antimorph: | mapping is planer yeah |
| 14:28 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:28 | SuperTard: | i made |
| 14:28 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:28 | scloink: | cool |
| 14:28 | Antimorph: | Whats it say in the Length box |
| 14:28 | scloink: | yes Morph |
| 14:29 | scloink: | 9157.32 |
| 14:29 | SuperTard: | i have to do some final tests on these... man, the tracklights fit perfect in the "entrance" you'd trip if you were here |
| 14:29 | Antimorph: | cool |
| 14:29 | SuperTard: | watching |
| 14:29 | scloink: | cool |
| 14:29 | Antimorph: | ok, go back to uvw unwrap |
| 14:29 | SuperTard: | i wanna light this bitch up... this levels gonna rule |
| 14:29 | Antimorph: | heh |
| 14:29 | Antimorph: | for a short time only ST |
| 14:29 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 14:30 | Antimorph: | The king is coming |
| 14:30 | SuperTard: | who dat? |
| 14:30 | Antimorph: | :) |
| 14:30 | Antimorph: | Dat me dat is |
| 14:30 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 14:30 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:30 | SuperTard: | 4¶1,88) |
| 14:30 | scloink: | we are hard at work to make you happy |
| 14:30 | Antimorph: | just kidding |
| 14:30 | scloink: | :) |
| 14:31 | Antimorph: | You in unwrap edit xloink |
| 14:31 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:31 | SuperTard: | bbiab |
| 14:31 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:31 | Antimorph: | do you see boxes at all |
| 14:31 | Antimorph: | shit, I gotta go eat |
| 14:31 | Antimorph: | bbialb |
| 14:32 | Antimorph: | suggest you save here with + or give it the name walls |
| 14:32 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:32 | Antimorph: | at the top of the edit box |
| 14:32 | scloink: | np |
| 14:32 | Antimorph: | next to the options dialog icon |
| 14:32 | Antimorph: | what sort of mapping does it say |
| 14:32 | Antimorph: | UV? |
| 14:32 | Antimorph: | or something else |
| 14:32 | Antimorph: | make sure its UV |
| 14:33 | scloink: | it is |
| 14:33 | Antimorph: | not VW or UW |
| 14:33 | scloink: | I see vertices with lines |
| 14:33 | scloink: | but no boxes |
| 14:33 | scloink: | i can move them |
| 14:33 | Antimorph: | do these vertices with lines make a box with a diagonal line |
| 14:33 | Antimorph: | a rectangle |
| 14:34 | Antimorph: | you have groups of 4 vertices |
| 14:34 | scloink: | if I move them Ithey will |
| 14:34 | Antimorph: | hmm |
| 14:34 | Antimorph: | I gotta go |
| 14:34 | Antimorph: | be right back |
| 14:34 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:34 | scloink: | I will play |
| 14:34 | Antimorph: | k |
| 14:39 | SuperTard: | scloink there? |
| 14:42 | SuperTard: | scloink? |
| 14:43 | SuperTard: | i wanna send you the level as ive made it so far .. 2.7m zip |
| 14:43 | scloink: | hello |
| 14:43 | scloink: | oh |
| 14:43 | scloink: | wait |
| 14:43 | SuperTard: | ok |
| 14:43 | scloink: | I may have the building done tomorrow |
| 14:43 | SuperTard: | like so you can see the prms ive made, and junk |
| 14:43 | scloink: | maybe |
| 14:44 | scloink: | if so then we can really start |
| 14:44 | SuperTard: | and where i put the trak lights etc. |
| 14:44 | scloink: | ok cool |
| 14:44 | scloink: | send away |
| 14:44 | SuperTard: | then you'll have the prms and ncps and stuff |
| 14:44 | SuperTard: | that i made |
| 14:44 | scloink: | the positioning may change |
| 14:44 | SuperTard: | and i want yer opinion on the new playset and stuff |
| 14:44 | scloink: | because the building is a bit different |
| 14:44 | SuperTard: | brb |
| 14:44 | scloink: | ok |
| 14:47 | scloink: | why you sending me that |
| 14:48 | scloink: | did yoy change it |
| 14:49 | SuperTard: | have i sent b4? |
| 14:49 | scloink: | yes |
| 14:50 | scloink: | hehe |
| 14:50 | SuperTard: | doh |
| 14:50 | scloink: | but np |
| 14:50 | SuperTard: | did you see it in max yet/ |
| 14:50 | SuperTard: | ? |
| 14:50 | scloink: | no not yet |
| 14:50 | SuperTard: | can we stop it or are you overwriting |
| 14:51 | scloink: | overwriting |
| 14:54 | scloink: | brb morph |
| 14:54 | Antimorph: | k |
| 14:57 | scloink: | ok back |
| 14:57 | Antimorph: | k |
| 14:57 | scloink: | I figured out whats going on |
| 14:58 | Antimorph: | what was it? |
| 14:58 | SuperTard: | man... i feel productive today.. in reguards to funshope |
| 14:58 | scloink: | it is placing all the vertexes together |
| 14:58 | scloink: | I have to move all of them |
| 14:58 | SuperTard: | i made 4 good .prms today |
| 14:58 | SuperTard: | er converted them |
| 14:58 | scloink: | to get them to form boxes |
| 14:58 | SuperTard: | my first .prm successes !!!! |
| 14:58 | Antimorph: | hmm |
| 14:58 | scloink: | cool |
| 14:59 | Antimorph: | well done ST |
| 14:59 | scloink: | each row is on top of itself |
| 14:59 | SuperTard: | shelves too, not sure i mentioned that... like display shelves |
| 14:59 | Antimorph: | I have a theory Scloink |
| 14:59 | SuperTard: | scl |
| 14:59 | scloink: | weird |
| 14:59 | scloink: | cool |
| 14:59 | Antimorph: | Shall I hit you with it, you may not like it though |
| 14:59 | scloink: | hopefully I will have a building for you soon |
| 14:59 | Antimorph: | as it may not work |
| 14:59 | SuperTard: | oops, i didnt place them, in the level, but if you scroll thru the instances you'll see them |
| 14:59 | scloink: | whats that |
| 15:00 | SuperTard: | (shelves) |
| 15:00 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:00 | SuperTard: | bbl |
| 15:00 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:00 | SuperTard: | talk amongst yerselves, im a little verklempt |
| 15:00 | Antimorph: | go back to the UVW mapping bit by removing the unwrapping modifier |
| 15:00 | Antimorph: | and hit fit |
| 15:00 | Antimorph: | verklempt? |
| 15:00 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:00 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 15:00 | SuperTard: | verplenkt ? |
| 15:01 | SuperTard: | ya know coffe-tawlk |
| 15:01 | Antimorph: | ahh, hehe |
| 15:01 | Antimorph: | cya later |
| 15:01 | Antimorph: | then |
| 15:01 | scloink: | ok morph that worked |
| 15:01 | Antimorph: | you hit fit yet |
| 15:01 | Antimorph: | go back to uvw unwrap |
| 15:01 | scloink: | yep |
| 15:01 | scloink: | I did |
| 15:01 | scloink: | I am there dood |
| 15:01 | scloink: | :0 |
| 15:01 | Antimorph: | you see boxes now? |
| 15:01 | scloink: | :) |
| 15:01 | scloink: | yes |
| 15:01 | Antimorph: | kewlio |
| 15:02 | Antimorph: | hit zoom extents to see them all |
| 15:02 | Antimorph: | move them all on top of each other |
| 15:02 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:03 | Antimorph: | you can do more than one "box" at a time |
| 15:03 | Antimorph: | you don't have to be too accurate either cos we're gonna weld them |
| 15:04 | Antimorph: | Go to the options dialog and change the line colour to blue or something |
| 15:04 | Antimorph: | select each corner group and hit the weld selected icon |
| 15:04 | Antimorph: | do that for each corner and then move the corners to the extremities of the wall bmp we're using |
| 15:05 | Antimorph: | don't be too accurate at this stage |
| 15:05 | scloink: | what about the tringle piece |
| 15:05 | Antimorph: | we're just putting them roughly we'll fix them up |
| 15:05 | Antimorph: | I don't have a triangle piece, Ahh, i see what you did |
| 15:05 | Antimorph: | you got three vertices for it yeah |
| 15:05 | Antimorph: | the top left should go the top left of the box |
| 15:06 | Antimorph: | etc |
| 15:06 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:06 | scloink: | done |
| 15:06 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 15:06 | Antimorph: | you wanna weld them, or did you do that |
| 15:07 | scloink: | I did that |
| 15:07 | Antimorph: | woohoo |
| 15:07 | Antimorph: | did you put them about where they should be |
| 15:07 | scloink: | and moved it to the bmp extremes |
| 15:07 | Antimorph: | k, check in the viewport that they are aligned correctly, ie, do we need to rotate them |
| 15:07 | scloink: | I lined the boxes up like they were on the map |
| 15:08 | Antimorph: | ok, it don't look like it |
| 15:08 | Antimorph: | just a sec |
| 15:08 | scloink: | I have an x in the center on the unwrap map |
| 15:08 | Antimorph: | an X |
| 15:08 | Antimorph: | ? |
| 15:08 | scloink: | instead of one line |
| 15:08 | scloink: | I have two crossing |
| 15:08 | Antimorph: | yeah thats right |
| 15:08 | scloink: | through the middle |
| 15:09 | Antimorph: | thats what you want |
| 15:09 | Antimorph: | the squares are actually two triangles |
| 15:09 | Antimorph: | that X is the edges of them |
| 15:09 | Antimorph: | you with me |
| 15:09 | Antimorph: | ok, close the edit window and then select the next group of (non-contiguous) faces and repeat what we've done |
| 15:10 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:10 | Antimorph: | We'll need to do this four times |
| 15:10 | Antimorph: | you should rocket through them now |
| 15:11 | Antimorph: | select, uvw map, fit, uvw unwrap, move the shit about, weld it, close, editmesh, select the next "batch,", uvw mpa, fit, unwrap. etc etc |
| 15:11 | Antimorph: | alighment Why, don't forget that |
| 15:11 | Antimorph: | YY |
| 15:11 | Antimorph: | even |
| 15:12 | scloink: | brb |
| 15:12 | SuperTard: | jump down, turn around, pick a bail of cotton? |
| 15:12 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 15:12 | Antimorph: | thats the one |
| 15:13 | Antimorph: | you better let me win |
| 15:13 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 15:14 | Antimorph: | when you can't select a square, select what looks like a square |
| 15:18 | scloink: | whew |
| 15:18 | scloink: | still at it |
| 15:19 | scloink: | but I have it down now |
| 15:19 | scloink: | hehe |
| 15:19 | Antimorph: | kewl |
| 15:19 | scloink: | brb |
| 15:19 | Antimorph: | you'll come to some polys that border the tunnel |
| 15:19 | Antimorph: | you can make these look good, but I'll leave that to your imagination and ingenuity |
| 15:20 | Antimorph: | cos i can't be arsed to explain |
| 15:20 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 15:21 | SuperTard: | dont leave it up to him, do it for him! |
| 15:21 | Antimorph: | lol |
| 15:21 | SuperTard: | please!!!!?!?! |
| 15:21 | SuperTard: | j/k |
| 15:22 | Antimorph: | When you got them all mapped |
| 15:22 | Antimorph: | select all of them, like we did with the wooden floor, and tighten the mapping up a bit |
| 15:23 | scloink: | why are going through all this trouble just to let me screw it up |
| 15:23 | SuperTard: | heh |
| 15:23 | scloink: | hehe |
| 15:23 | SuperTard: | he wants to secure a historical place in my faq |
| 15:24 | Antimorph: | when you select them all, don't hit uvw map or you'll lose every thing |
| 15:24 | scloink: | hehe |
| 15:24 | Antimorph: | eh |
| 15:24 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:24 | Antimorph: | hehe |
| 15:24 | Antimorph: | go to uvw unwrap |
| 15:24 | scloink: | that would suck |
| 15:24 | scloink: | hehe |
| 15:24 | Antimorph: | and do a final weld on the polys |
| 15:24 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:25 | scloink: | what about around the door |
| 15:25 | ali: | Hi kids |
| 15:25 | Antimorph: | trust you to bring up the door |
| 15:25 | Antimorph: | Hi alee |
| 15:25 | Antimorph: | ali even |
| 15:25 | SuperTard: | hi |
| 15:25 | scloink: | hello ali |
| 15:25 | SuperTard: | i have to go pick up my kid |
| 15:25 | scloink: | sorry morph |
| 15:25 | SuperTard: | brb |
| 15:26 | scloink: | :) |
| 15:26 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:26 | Antimorph: | k, where are you |
| 15:27 | scloink: | almost done with the wall |
| 15:27 | scloink: | brb |
| 15:27 | Antimorph: | ok, I'm exploring how to do the door |
| 15:28 | Antimorph: | can we make the door taller |
| 15:28 | SuperTard: | is there a way to make a .prm that moves? or pivots, or are we talking .m ? |
| 15:28 | Antimorph: | hmm, we'll have to see about that |
| 15:28 | Antimorph: | dunno |
| 15:28 | Antimorph: | ST |
| 15:29 | SuperTard: | k, *poof* |
| 15:29 | scloink: | we could take the door to the next line up |
| 15:29 | scloink: | if you want |
| 15:29 | Antimorph: | yeah, the only thing I worry about with doing that |
| 15:29 | ali: | .prm's cannot be animated or moved around. |
| 15:29 | scloink: | that way you don't have that diagonal line there |
| 15:29 | Antimorph: | is that we'll be left with a couple of tiny polys |
| 15:29 | scloink: | hmmm |
| 15:30 | Antimorph: | and I'm not sure if theyre gonna flicker in RV |
| 15:30 | scloink: | ok |
| 15:30 | Antimorph: | but ok, select the edge that makes the top of the door |
| 15:30 | scloink: | you could make it double door |
| 15:30 | Antimorph: | do the edge on the other side int he other room too |
| 15:30 | scloink: | wait |
| 15:30 | Antimorph: | k |
| 15:30 | scloink: | I am not done |
| 15:31 | Antimorph: | There is a valuable lesson here |
| 15:31 | Antimorph: | always make the door with a vertice in the middle at the top |
| 15:31 | Soul^: | hey hey |
| 15:32 | Antimorph: | Hi Soul^ |
| 15:32 | Antimorph: | Scloink, with luck no one will se e the top of this door. |
| 15:32 | Antimorph: | :) |
| 15:33 | ali: | ? |
| 15:34 | Antimorph: | dunno |
| 15:34 | Antimorph: | weird |
| 15:34 | scloink: | ok all that is left is around the door and a little on the arch |
| 15:34 | Antimorph: | k, I did the arch, the door remains |
| 15:34 | scloink: | k let me do the arch |
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